Apr 25, 2014

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News from Peter Jackson

This just in from Peter Jackson’s Facebook page…

Inside Information…

Our journey to make The Hobbit Trilogy has been in some ways like Bilbo’s own, with hidden paths revealing their secrets to us as we’ve gone along. “There and Back Again” felt like the right name for the second of a two film telling of the quest to reclaim Erebor, when Bilbo’s arrival there, and departure, were both contained within the second film. But with three movies, it suddenly felt misplaced—after all, Bilbo has already arrived “there” in the “Desolation of Smaug”.

When we did the premiere trip late last year, I had a quiet conversation with the studio about the idea of revisiting the title. We decided to keep an open mind until a cut of the film was ready to look at. We reached that point last week, and after viewing the movie, we all agreed there is now one title that feels completely appropriate.

And so: “The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies” it is.

As Professor Tolkien intended, “There and Back Again” encompasses Bilbo’s entire adventure, so don’t be surprised if you see it used on a future box-set of all three movies.

Before then however, we have a film to finish, and much to share with you. It’s been a nice quiet time for us—Jabez and I happily editing away in a dark cave in Wellington—but those halcyon days are quickly coming to an end. It will soon be time to step into the light. Expect to see and hear much about The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies in the coming months.

And there’s also The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug Extended Cut, which we’re in the process of finishing, with over 25 mins of new scenes, all scored with original music composed by Howard Shore.

It’ll be a fun year!

  1. Hooray for more extended cut footage! Is there any news on when that’s going to be released?

  2. I suppose I can live with that change… but I need more production diaries!!!!!!

  3. Isn’t the name of the battle simply “The Battle of Five Armies”?

    Why is the name of the battle being changed for the movie? I don’t think it rolls off the tongue quite as well.

    • Its the name of the film that’s being changed. Did you not read the update?

      • Hadrielia Undomiel says:

        I think the change is awesome! It was my favorite part of the book as well, and it’s true that this is a more appropriate name. I love it! 😀
        And what a wonderful idea to give ‘there and back again’ to the DVD box!

        But, for this matter, i must agree with burndive.. it sounds better without the second ‘the’ for the battle And for the movie.

        nevertheless, I’m thrilled to see this famous battle on the wide screen.. and the whole story with the Arkenstone (I don’t intend to spoil so i’ll shut up)as well!

        🙂 xxx

      • The battle is called “The Battle of Five Armies” in the book. The question is why would they change it to “The Battle of THE Five Armies” in the film.

        • Jeffrey says:

          Yes, too much “the”. That’s 3 times the word “the” appears in the title. Change it either to “The Battle of Five Armies” or “Battle of the Five Armies” or perhaps just “Battle of Five Armies.”

  4. I can not wait for the extended and with 25 mins extra, i think it should be great. I can see why there is a change, and perhaps the box set would suit the there and back again theme.

  5. Well, I’ve to say that I still find “There and back again” a more appropriate title for the concluding movie of the trilogy… That name feels more like JRR Tolkien’s invention than “The Battle of the Five Armies”. The problem with the new title is that it tells you what happens. 😉

    Nonetheless, I appreciate the idea to maintain “There and back again” as a sort of subtitle for the entire trilogy.

    Looking forward to the last movie!

    • I agree, I do prefer ‘There and back again’ as the third movie title, but that might be because it’s the title i’m used to, but ‘The battle of the five armies’ is rather long.

      Maybe just ‘The five armies’, shorter and rolls of the tongue easier

      • Same here, but I still hold to the view that even though Bilbo has already got ‘there’ the title summarises the story nicely, and being the end film, I feel it fits better because he hasn’t yet got back.
        Also, the battle of the five armies was just an event that occurred during the time, and whilst relevant, the story is Bilbo’s, therefore making it slightly less important in my opinion.

  6. It is one of the best films I’ve ever seen. Most action pack and sci-fi movie of the year.

  7. schocoman says:

    As much as I would love to love it, I fear the new titel tells us what it will all be about, the battle at the centre. The Hobbit marginalized again. Lots of battle scenes for Kili and Tauriel, Legolas, the two main CGI orcs etc., but again little focus on the character and his development that gave the trilogy its name. Making it three films instead of two was the greatest mistake of all in the first place, I think because the newly won screentime had to be filled with extra material that cannot live up to Tolkien’s original inventions and story and simply constantly takes the focus away from the outward and inner journey of the alleged protagonist in lieu of stuffing it with Matrix-like action sequences and useless love interest, even a love triangle between Kili, Tauriel and Legolas. Apart from the fantastically designed world (esp. Smaug) there is nothing left of the magic of the first trilogy which I and probably many others had waited for to see it revived.

    • I agree with you a hundred percent. Great comment. It’s too long, too much not so convincing and bothering CGI, no magic left from the LotR-trilogy, no real fear and care for the protagonists, lots of silly and tiring action sequences, way too much boring stuff.
      I think Peter Jackson wanted too much and got too little. He fell into the same trap as George Lucas before him.
      The Hobbit films are nowhere near the original trilogy. Although still much better than the Star Wars prequels.

      • schocoman says:

        Yes the Star wWars prequels were so boring, no convincing character development at all, no nothing besides fabulously designed action – but that is not enough, the story is the most important thing.

    • Nostalgia says:

      Well said.

      I hope (in vain) that there will one day be a final cut; Two films with running time ~120 minutes each with focus on the original story and all the Middle Earth themepark action poop thrown out. This would be worthy of carrying the title “There and back again”.

      Until then, fast forward button is a bliss.

  8. awesome, i completely agree with Peter about the name change
    just a question when is the trailer coming out i am checking every day and can’t wait to see it

  9. wow i am so excited for this movie to come out i watch the desolation of smaug almost every day along with the lord of the rings. I hope Peter Jackson makes more movies after or before the hobbit and/or after the lord of the rings. If not I will notknow whattodo with my life.

  10. Evgenia Shamaeva says:

    I do prefer ‘There and back again’ as the third movie title, because I still find it a more appropriate title for the concluding movie of the trilogy.

  11. Thumbs up to the new title!! In fact, what a coincidence! I was already using the same title for the upcoming final film 🙂

    Check on my blog post: http://worldcinema-yashesh.blogspot.in/2013/12/the-hobbit-desolation-of-smaug-2013.html

  12. And of course, looking forward to the 25 precious minutes of extended footage! Hope there is more of Beorn!

  13. The title “Battle” will draw more audience, there and back again just say: they will make it and it’s all good. Not a title you want for people who don’t read the book. You want a title of Battle to draw the attention that someting epic is about to go down in this movie. People will be like: 5 armies? Who are these 5 armies and it will be cool.

    There and Back again is a better title for us fans who read the book but the title doesn’t bother me, i will still watch this final movie wich im looking forward to.

  14. I will try to keep myself away from other news and for sure I will not see the movie trailer. I want everything to be perfect. I want to be suprised. I can wait till 14th December. Its not far.

  15. I do think that there and back again is better, but nonetheless battle of the five armies is fine! i’m gonna hate it when the hobbit finishes…. 🙁 I am also waiting for more you tube production blogs!!!!! 😛

  16. Mindless says:

    Why the second “THE”? It is called “The Battle of Five Armies”

  17. I don’t really mind about the title change….as long as I see it on December….can’t wait!!!!!!!

    Kudos to Pete and all the cast and crew 😉

  18. Makes sense to me. Can’t wait for the last installment of the films …so later I can watch them over and over again …hehe!

    • SAME HERE!!! Over and over and over….(Goes on for the rest of time) 😀 A Middle-earth movie every day!!

  19. Well, a few comments, Actually thats why Tolkien didnt like the title return of the king because it told you what happened, but then, you still had a full on story going on in there. Battle of five armies just tells you there is a battle of five armies, if you havent read the book you dont know who? Oh Dear, I just love NZ sometimes (sarcastically) every one who doesnt know about filmaking has an opinion, actually its common here, its call the Tall Poppy Syndrome. I have had countless people from overseas stay with me who all love LOTR and Hobbit, they come because of the film. Overseas they all ask, does NZ look like that? Go Hard Peter, thank God you didnt ask us for our opinion, we would never agree anyway. Thank you for all of your hard work the months, hours, days, minutes spent with sleepless nights, no private life to make these films for us. All of your efforts and work are appreciated by me. All the negative, tall poppies out there, well, what can I say? Too bad.

  20. Look, in the realm of Tolkien, more is better! To whit, “Durin’s folk” was published 20 odd years after the Hobbit and yet is central to the story. Tolkien’s later writings clearly move the narrative of the Hobbit from a mere children’s tale to an important opening for the sweeping events of the War of Ring that ended the Third Age.

    Movies never equal the book but PJ’s expansive and visually stunning rendition of the Hobbit is to be applauded!

  21. Dear Peter! You are genius and real wizard! All your films based on books written by Tolkien are marvelous, brilliant and everybody just adore them! It is not a secret that you also created a world and you must and can film Silmarillion, please, pl-e-e-e-ease DO film this book! Please persuade Christopher!Pl-e-e-ease!

  22. Nice save. Though can you make it more close to the book unlike the desolation of smaug?! DOS was good but too far from the book. The hobbit would have worked well with 2 parts. That way it would have been more like the book

  23. The Desolation of Smaug – Extended Cut:

    some digital corrections of melted GOLD? Melting point of gold is 1064 °C. Gold must must have more 1100-1200 °C -> gold must glowing heat white and shine! Air shimmers with curls too! I do not feel the heat in film.

    It is look like this http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/4f7de4acecad04325000005c-1200/melted-gold-bars-rand-refinery.jpg

    or this


    In old verison its looks like the dwarfs melting pewter, lead or galium. Maybe occasion for litte digital corrections?

    Absurd ridiculous Thorin navigating through gold cut off? Or baked sear him?

  24. TRAILER PLEASE TRAILER PLEASE TRAILER PLEASE TRAILER PLEASE TRAILER PLEASE TRAILER PLEASE!!!!!! The first DOS trailer came out in June……….trailer PLEEEEAAASSSE I might scream….O.O I will most decently freak our when i see trailer………….I will be patient and wait…..for now….. 🙂

  25. Will you be putting any more production diary vlogs on youtube? They’re so much fun to watch, and might make the wait for the final movie seem a bit less endless!

  26. where is new trailer

  27. muhammed usman sarki says:

    i had really serious injoy this film from alpha to omega and peter jackson do your things we are here chilling up with it god bless you and your crew and for anybody who support you in this film.

  28. Please don’t let this trilogy end, make “The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies”, and make “There and Back Again” ,, why not Two movies ?

  29. Maybe it should be ‘Bundle of the Last Five Movies’?

    (I jest… am actually intrigued to see how the plot variations will be resolved.)

  30. P R Smith says:


    I wrote you a tune for when Bilbo comes home. I love your films. I’ve seen them all too many times. 🙂 Where can I send you my tune for Bilbo?

    Big P


  31. HobbitRTM says:

    Cannot wait for the extended footage! Keep us up to date.

  32. Erdil Deniz says:


  33. Time for a new video blog of the making of the 3rd film, eh what?

  34. I dont care about the Name I want to see this Movie… Why do I have to wait so long 🙁

  35. Please not too much CGI. Thank you.

    • Robert K says:

      Since “Fellowship,” there has been a ton of CGI used. In fact, in the prologue for that film, the battle featuring the defeat of Sauron used a brilliant tactic in which CGI characters employed some AI in their individual fights.

      CGI can be used to the point of lunacy (see Star Wars Episodes 1-3), but thankfully the Jackson films shan’t be reaching that point.

  36. Antonio says:

    Hello Mr Jackson,

    Will you be releasing a “true-to-the-book” version of the trilogy at sometime in the future?

  37. New Zealand people, Peter Jackson, please google Ian McCormack.

  38. Just a quick comment to Mr.Jackson … I bought the blu-ray+digital copy of The Desolation of Smaug and enjoyed it so much, I decided to buy the 3D version of it only to be dissapointed with the lack of 3D special effects in it. Surely of all the movies in all the world with such a lavish budgit … This would have been the one to make 3D shine. The Dragon as he turned towards the screen should have jumped out at us to scare the bejesus out of us (excuse my french) or should that be my irishness ;~) Otherwise all great movies “Mr Jackson” ps. If you want to hire me for production ideas … let me know … Kind Regards, Conor.

  39. hello mr jackson i am amin from iran i love your films but i want tell you small weakness in hobbit that was not in lord of the rings
    in the lord of the rings there was a great apprehension that it was make us to see more but that apprehension was not in hobbit

    Respectfully your fan amin beigi from iran

  40. Robert K says:

    “Battle of Five Armies” makes sense. I like it.

    Anyone here have a support group they attend in order to cope with THE WAIT until the 3rd film is released? ;]]

  41. the immortals of meluha book name
    amish tripathy authour
    read the book sir you will definitely want to make it a film

  42. I’m wondering, in extended edition, if you can make a positive and a happier ending where Thorin and Kili and Fili survive, or at least Thorin survives. I was so sad when I saw they were killed and it was such a disappointment. The Hobbit is such a great movie, my second best, or it’s sharing the first place with Terminator, but either way a felt so close to movie and to dwarfs, they are not so well characterized in the book as in movie. So you can connect with them and their quest. So for us, who would like Thorin to survive, could you make it, so that we can watch that movie ending, and the rest who are fine with Thorin being killed let them watch the original. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE? For me it is much more important that Thorin at least, Thorin, survives, rather than to see a true prologue to the LotR. It doesn’t have to be true to the book, at least that ending.

  43. This can’t be the end of the Middle Earth Odyssey, what about Lord salron and his demise? There are endless possibilities to keep this world apart of our own..

  44. I can’t even express how angry I am that Peter Jackson, who supposedly had such a reverence for the writings of J.R.R.Tolkien, has made such a muck of The Hobbit, in making the movie. I could not even watch the third beyond the first 20 – 30 minutes.
    I was so impressed with how well Lord of the Rings was done… so well, in fact that it caused me to read the books which I had tried to do once when I was younger but with the movies I gained the ability to understand the stories.
    The Hobbit was a tale of camraderie, of loyalty, of finding your courage, of gaining trust and proving yourself… about forming bonds for life… about using integrity to solve disputes between people. As was stated so clearly in the book, none of that other stuff with Gandalf had anything to do with Bilbo’s story.
    What he has done to the story of The Hobbit (i.e., Biblo’s journey) is a travesty.

    p. 120 – Cheer up Thorin and company! This is your expedition after all.
    (Gandalf spoke, prior to setting off on his own)
    As it so clearly states in Chapter 10;
    p. 164 – “Gandalf far away…. was in fact finishing up his other business (which does not come into this tale)”

    p. 188 – “What then do you propose we should do, Mr. Baggins?”, asked Thorin politely.
    p. 189 – Already they had come to respect little Bilbo. Now he had become the real leader in their adventure. He had begun to have ideas and plans of his own.
    (this is the real heart of the story)

    I would like to see The Hobbit movie(s) as it exists today should be destroyed, and I would love to see it remade with the same quality, but in the true character of the story. I loved all the actors in their parts by the way…. but as much as I love seeing Legolas again, he does not belong in this story.


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